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Proposed pedestrian fence for Seaforth
Tuesday, 01 December 2009


Mr MIKE BAIRD (Manly) [5.45 p.m.]: I draw to the attention of the House my electorate's concern about the Roads and Traffic Authority's proposal to build a pedestrian fence in Seaforth Village and the recent installation of a no-U-turn sign without consultation. Local businesses and many residents became aware of the authority's intention to build a fence on Sydney Road, Seaforth only a few months ago. Plans were well advanced and would have been implemented had the community not mobilised and demanded to be informed and, ultimately, consulted. We understand that the fence has been proposed because of safety concerns. Indeed, those concerns were stated by the Roads and Traffic Authority. It says that there have been several pedestrian incidents in the past five years. However, those concerns have not been well outlined to the community and the question remains whether they justify the swift action to install the fence, which will effectively cut Seaforth village in half.

I understand that the Minister for Roads has multiple priorities, but this is a critical issue in Seaforth. My community and I ask the Minister to ensure that the Roads and Traffic Authority listens to the community and, most importantly, seriously investigates every available safety option. It should commit to not pressing ahead without full community support. My fear is that this proposal is being pushed ahead before every safety option has been considered.

I have received many concerns from businesses and residents. A business concern from Rocco Papalia, owner of the Trapani Cafe on Sydney Road, said:

      I confidently speak on behalf of all businesses and residents concerned that we passionately feel this fence will more likely than not signal the end of this little village. Without convenient accessibility to funnel local community support to our businesses and services, viability will be seriously compromised, and from there it is a flow-on effect. No convenience means little thoroughfare, which means little viability, which means more and more businesses/services ceasing to operate, which sadly leads to no Seaforth village. All you have to do is take a look at the amount of shops in this village displaying a "for lease" sign. The newly installed "no u-turn" sign has already affected our businesses, the proposed fence would be pretty much crippling for business and their livelihood.

From the residents' side, Michael Smellie from Seaforth, wrote:
      Of course pedestrian safety is important, however not at all costs. If there is a demonstrable case to improve pedestrian safety (and I understand that this not has been made certainly not to the Precinct), then what are the alternatives that have been looked at? If there were alternatives why were they eliminated?

Residents and businesses have not been consulted. I joined with members of the Seaforth precinct and local residents and business owners and asked the Roads and Traffic Authority to hold a public forum. It delayed the fence installation and held a public forum on 28 September, and we appreciate it doing that. The authority said it would only notify people in a 500-metre radius to the fence about the forum, so I wrote to all residents in Seaforth, because it is about the amenity of their village. Every resident of Seaforth has a right to know what the Roads and Traffic Authority is about to do. About 200 residents came along to the meeting and only one was in support of the fence. I know he is a good man but I do not agree with him on this issue, and certainly 199 fellow residents did not agree with him. The Roads and Traffic Authority agreed to take the community feedback on board and consult again before a decision is made.

Another meeting was held last month at which the authority said it was considering everything but other safety options should be paramount. This is what we are asking the Minister, to make sure the Roads and Traffic Authority goes through in detail every single safety option available. Of course safety is critical and paramount, but just as important is the need to balance residents' concerns, the viability of businesses and the community, which has the village at its core. Several alternative suggestions to improve pedestrian safety at Seaforth village have been made. They include installing a give-way sign for cars turning into Sydney Road from Manly Road, fitting speed reducers to the lane on the approach to this intersection and making Sydney Road and the space of the village a 40-kilometre speed zone. The Minister for Roads listened to concerns raised by the community about bus timetable changes and he amended the timetable. He has also been helpful with regard to the fast ferry. In relation to this he needs to listen to the community and make sure that everything is considered.

The other issue is the no U-turn sign, which was recently installed by the Roads and Traffic Authority at the eastern end of the shops before the lights—again, without consultation. At the public meeting the Roads and Traffic Authority representatives advised that the no U-turn sign was erected after only two telephone complaints to the effect that drivers were not expecting vehicles to do a U-turn there. A couple of telephone complaints do not justify such action. This sign has had a dramatic impact on businesses. This is a serious issue threatening the viability of Seaforth Village. A butcher in Seaforth, David Head, is facilitating a petition against the fence. We seek assurances from the Minister for Roads that every possible option is considered to ensure safety in Seaforth but at the same time the amenity remains.
 

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Proposed pedestrian fence for Seaforth.
I applaude your actions regarding the proposed fence and the recent erection of the no U-turn sign in Seaforth. Both have been pushed forward by the RTA with little to no for thought of the consequences on the community of Seaforth. The RTA also has shown little justification for their actions. We should be looking at ways to support the retailers of Seaforth, not finding ways to put them out of business.
Posted by: Wayne Green at 03-12-2009 08:51
SEAFORTH AND FENCE ETC
Apart from personally being against any fence, extra lights or pedestrian crossing the Clontarf Precinct and many Clontarf residents support the anti RTA campaign. 
 
I know you Michael have tried to get Seaforth TAFE re-opened. Just think if a fence had beeen erected how that would affect many more crossing the road. 
 
Incidentally had Seaforth Residents agreed to Manly Council's proposal for Seaforth that included Sydney Road deviation and some slightly taller buildings and a square this whole mattre would be redundant. However they selfishly spiked any chance. Just shows how adverse some action groups can be.
Posted by: Carlo Bongarzoni at 03-12-2009 09:02
No U Turn at Seaforth
I totally agree this sign should be removed. I have been doing U Turns at that spot for 39 years. The alternative is to turn left into Hope Street, execute a three point turn in a very narrow street and then make a right hand turn over three lanes of traffic - far more dangerous than a U Turn!
Posted by: Antoinette Salier at 03-12-2009 09:53
Fence at Seaforth....................
You are to be thanked by all the community Mike for standing by your word. It is a shame we can`t say the same for the RTA, the writing is on the wall with what they propose to do. Thank you anyway Mike, this will destroy many lives.
Posted by: Debra Arena at 03-12-2009 17:01
Seaforth Safety fence and u-turn
Thank you very much, Mike Baird, to speak on our behalf. You have said it well, and hopefully you will be heard! regards, lili
Posted by: Lili Koch at 05-12-2009 12:05
Seafoth Pedestrian Fence & No U Turn Sit
Thanks for your comments regarding the potential impact of these RTA "initiatives" on businesses in our community of Seaforth. 
I am greatly concerned that these "initiatives" will effectively kill the remaining businesses. 
Unfortunately we are in a convenience oriented society. If convenient & ready parking is not able to be achieved then people will take their custom away from Seaforth and down to Balgowlah ,etc. 
 
Whilst safety is an important issue my experience has been that the traffic flow through Seaforth is always relatively slow and as such U-Turns should not present a significant safety issue. 
 
In regard to the pedestrian fence, why not a short partial fence at the Eastern end (perhaps 15m long) in conjunction with a flashing "pedestrians ahead" sign facing left turning traffic coming up from the Spit?
Posted by: Tony Hudson at 07-12-2009 21:11
Seaforth fence
In Europe much has been done to ensure saftey through the removal of fencing and to encourage car users to consider pedestrians more through effective urban design. Lessons can be taken from Europe e.g Kensington hisgh street in London is a good example of a high volume traffic area where gaurd rails ahave been removed...." 
Case study: High Street Kensington 
Kensington High Street lies at the heart of the Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea and is a vital part of the fabric of the community. 
 
In 2000, work began on a major programme of street improvements to improve the look and feel of the street while making it safer and easier for everyone to navigate and enjoy. 
 
The most difficult issue for the council to resolve was the removal of guard railing from the central reservations of staggered crossings. Based on existing health and safety guidance, this was not an option that council highways officers felt they could recommend to members. Opposition to the changes claimed that the council was putting aesthetics ahead of safety. 
 
In order to ensure that in departing from safety design norms, they were not actually compromising safety, the council took an evidence-based approach and, once satisfied with the evidence, proceeded with the removal of 715 metres of guard railing and excessive signage and signalling. Only 60 metres of new guard rails and essential items of street furniture have been introduced, creating a sense of openness which welcomes and empowers all users, particularly pedestrians and wheelchair users. 
 
The new designs have been well received by the local community and, as in similar schemes in Denmark and the Netherlands , have caused no adverse effect on safety to date. 
source: http://www.cabe.org.uk/articles/what-are-we-scared-of
Posted by: Patricia Dpcherty at 09-12-2009 08:19
RTA
Good work Mike. 
 
Two recent event down on Burnt Bridge Creek. Yesterday, we heard the awful sound of a car running into the back of another. Someone reading the RTAs new Variable Message Sign on the Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation instead of looking at the car in front ? Quite clearly this sign is misplaced and of little use to all Peninsular & Shire motorists where is. Perhaps, a few kilometers further north prior to the entrance to Burnt Bridge Creek Deveiation would be more appropriate, thus giving Northern Beaches motorists half a chance to divert via other roads. I would also suggest that positioning of the new VMS is only likely to induce road rage and divert a huge traffic jam into Sydney Road/Seaforth Village when The RTA Intelligent Traffic Systems management plan isn't working. 
 
Also, on the corner of Bangaroo & Serpentine Crescent: two young surveyors - when asked if they were working for the RTA, Warringah Shire Council or Manly Council - they replied....didn't know who they were working for....  
 
Please undo these travesties the RTA has created on the Northern Beaches & Shire communities. 
 
regards
Posted by: Anton Horak at 24-12-2009 07:03